Comments on: I’m sorry, but PHP sucks! http://maurus.net technology, psychology, life and management Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:25:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Denis http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-1155 Denis Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:25:40 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-1155 Thanks for the good article. after an intensive working week I've just had one thing on my mind "php sucks" - I typed it into the google search box and landed on your blog. A quick scan through the points you mention here (although I'm not a php developer at all) just made me feel much better thank you. for those who'se asking what else is there to use I'd strongly recommend c# and asp.net - not the beginner level, etc but have some real extensive experience and you would know what I'm talking about. for #17 (Vincent) - why do you start listing the options from all the alternative crap like python and ruby ? you just ought to be different ? I'm also pretty tired of browser incompatibility - each one does whatever it wants to ... :) Just making a web developers' life harder. Thanks for the good article. after an intensive working week I’ve just had one thing on my mind “php sucks” – I typed it into the google search box and landed on your blog. A quick scan through the points you mention here (although I’m not a php developer at all) just made me feel much better thank you. for those who’se asking what else is there to use I’d strongly recommend c# and asp.net – not the beginner level, etc but have some real extensive experience and you would know what I’m talking about.
for #17 (Vincent) – why do you start listing the options from all the alternative crap like python and ruby ? you just ought to be different ? I’m also pretty tired of browser incompatibility – each one does whatever it wants to … :) Just making a web developers’ life harder.

]]> By: thedoublefinger http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-1152 thedoublefinger Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:32:38 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-1152 Great article, with most stuff here that I did not even know about. Obviously PHP has got some lacks, here and there ("and there, there, here and there!", would you say) but I still think that, and you could apply this to almost any actual language, it's a matter of point of view, habit and need. Great article, with most stuff here that I did not even know about.

Obviously PHP has got some lacks, here and there (“and there, there, here and there!”, would you say) but I still think that, and you could apply this to almost any actual language, it’s a matter of point of view, habit and need.

]]> By: Justin http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-1110 Justin Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:35:36 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-1110 1.“PHP makes it easy to get things done for a beginner” 2.“PHP is easy to install” You're right these statments are true. But it's another reason why it sucks. 1.“PHP makes it easy to get things done for a beginner”
2.“PHP is easy to install”
You’re right these statments are true. But it’s another reason why it sucks.

]]> By: Xeross http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-1106 Xeross Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:45:55 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-1106 @eden: Facebook has 30k server due to poor PHP performance, and well rewriting it in another language would require a huge investment in both time and money, and I doubt facebook wants to invest that in a rewrite. Now I was wondering, what are the alternatives, I could ofcourse write the entire app in C++ but using C++ as a website system feels stupid + I need to run every site on a different port. @eden: Facebook has 30k server due to poor PHP performance, and well rewriting it in another language would require a huge investment in both time and money, and I doubt facebook wants to invest that in a rewrite.

Now I was wondering, what are the alternatives, I could ofcourse write the entire app in C++ but using C++ as a website system feels stupid + I need to run every site on a different port.

]]> By: eden http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-984 eden Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:07:49 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-984 Hi Facebook uses php, doesn't it count as a large project? Anyway, there is something I would really like to see in such an article - the future. It is obvious that the free open-source style is here to stay (or am I wrong?) So, is there a good replacement for PHP considering all the effort done in open source (Drupal and such)? I’m not talking Microsoft. Hi

Facebook uses php, doesn’t it count as a large project?
Anyway, there is something I would really like to see in such an article – the future. It is obvious that the free open-source style is here to stay (or am I wrong?)

So, is there a good replacement for PHP considering all the effort done in open source (Drupal and such)?
I’m not talking Microsoft.

]]> By: Dave May http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-825 Dave May Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:39:39 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-825 What bothers me most about PHP is: "0" == false (oh my god) where these are CORRECTLY true: " 0" == true "0 " == true "00" == true "0.0" == true "" == false Non-empty strings should be predictably considered true. At least it should be predictable. And sadly PHP developers think they are right, even though their language goes in unusual and non-workable directions. Their argument? "It's a web language, not a general scripting language." What does that have to do with interpreting boolean values of strings? And so on. PHP is ghastly. Dave What bothers me most about PHP is:

“0″ == false (oh my god)

where these are CORRECTLY true:

” 0″ == true
“0 ” == true
“00″ == true
“0.0″ == true
“” == false

Non-empty strings should be predictably considered true.

At least it should be predictable. And sadly PHP developers think they are right, even though their language goes in unusual and non-workable directions. Their argument? “It’s a web language, not a general scripting language.” What does that have to do with interpreting boolean values of strings?

And so on. PHP is ghastly.

Dave

]]> By: Antagonist Prime http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-756 Antagonist Prime Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:50:21 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-756 You missed one other important point, the pay sucks! Here in the UK there is a £10k difference between PHP and ASP.NET, I'm sure people at the top end are earning good money but the average developer is getting shafted. The issue doesn't seem to be the employers, they love the low wages don't get me wrong, it's the developers, they seem to take great pride in earning less than anyone else. I can't speak for anyone else but personally, I've given up on PHP and moved to the dark-side, at least now I can pay the rent. You missed one other important point, the pay sucks!

Here in the UK there is a £10k difference between PHP and ASP.NET, I’m sure people at the top end are earning good money but the average developer is getting shafted. The issue doesn’t seem to be the employers, they love the low wages don’t get me wrong, it’s the developers, they seem to take great pride in earning less than anyone else.

I can’t speak for anyone else but personally, I’ve given up on PHP and moved to the dark-side, at least now I can pay the rent.

]]> By: Michael http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-544 Michael Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:20:06 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-544 Every language has it's downfalls, but I personally believe that PHP has too many. I'm an experienced programmer and just looking at PHP hurts my eyes. Nothing in it makes sense to me besides it's ability to perform web tasks easier. (such as databases) Sure it might be a good language for beginners, but those new programmers are going to have a VERY hard time learning any other "structured" language. Every language has it’s downfalls, but I personally believe that PHP has too many. I’m an experienced programmer and just looking at PHP hurts my eyes. Nothing in it makes sense to me besides it’s ability to perform web tasks easier. (such as databases) Sure it might be a good language for beginners, but those new programmers are going to have a VERY hard time learning any other “structured” language.

]]> By: Lemur http://maurus.net/resources/programming-languages/php/comment-page-1/#comment-525 Lemur Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:31:50 +0000 http://localhost:8080/work/php-in-the-end-sucks/#comment-525 I don't really agree with you on the statement that PHP sucks. You have listed out some of it's problem points, which the PHP devs will have to look into, but as far as scripting languages goes, I find it the most appealing language I've used before. I've worked on ASP and PERL, attempted to learn JSP but got annoyed with it's server configuration issues. None of the issues that you have stated really affect me, but it's nice to know. I don’t really agree with you on the statement that PHP sucks. You have listed out some of it’s problem points, which the PHP devs will have to look into, but as far as scripting languages goes, I find it the most appealing language I’ve used before. I’ve worked on ASP and PERL, attempted to learn JSP but got annoyed with it’s server configuration issues.

None of the issues that you have stated really affect me, but it’s nice to know.

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